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Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:34:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
As a rough guess, that means a target income of around 90M ISK/hr per hulk pilot.
Each hulk pilot can pilot several hulk alts and there's lower capital requirements than for ratting/anomaly running at that level. I imagine that the actual price won't be much different than it currently is for Ark (350 isk/m3 or about 40-45 mil/hr for really good miners who can mine 1800-2000 m3/min). We'd just see Bistot and Crokite come closer to matching it. That means a substantial rise in current zydrine prices along with the possibility of a drop in megacyte
I decided to run a calculation on the assumption that bistot and crokite get as close to ark in isk/m3 as possible. I assume also that nocxium prices don't change much, though one would expect a slight drop (so I decided to price nocxium at the good old round number of 500 isk). As a result, I get the following
At 350 isk/m3 (current levels), I get 1860 zyd and 2430 mega
At 500 isk/m3 (roughly 54-60 mil/hr), I get 2760 zyd and 3420 mega
At 650 isk/m3 (roughly 70-78 mil/hr), I get 3670 zyd and 4410 mega
Arkanor and crokite end up being equal (at the given isk/m3) while bistot is a few percent less (for example 335 isk/m3 at the first level). If I try to get all three to line up by allowing nocxium to vary as well, then I get a negative value for nocxium. It isn't possible for all three ores to be the same value, I think, unless one does some crazy things with the price of trit and pye
My feeling is that even this is in some error due to the overproduction of zydrine in these ores. Crokite and bistot produce a lot of zydrine and I gather they're a little more prevalent than arkanor. Arkanor also produces significant zydrine (half as much as megacyte). So I don't see these other ores actually achieving parity with arkanor except for short market fluctuations where zydrine spikes in price. So my best guess is that zydrine will be somewhat lower, say zydrine and megacyte around 1600 and 2550 respectively. |
Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.16 16:29:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Today
Trit 4.58 Pye 5.31 Mex 54.96 Iso 73.74 Nocx 567 Zyd 1173 Mega 2733 Morph 498
Guesses
Trit 5.00 Pye 6.00 Mex 60 Iso 100 Nocx 500 Zyd 2200 Mega 3600 Morph 650
Veld 150 Scor 133 Pyro 173 Plag 170 Omb 110 Kern 181 Croc 406 Bist 426 Ark 48
At three hulks mining crokite in deep blue with 1800 m3/min apiece, that becomes 55 mil/hr per alt and 165 mil/hour in total. Someone will drop vanguards and anomalies for 65% more cash per hour. Even two mining alts gives slightly better isk/hour than shooting reds. High sec has modest income, but it adds up. 20 mil/hour per alt for kernite at those prices (and mining volume) and you can run a lot of alts. Roughly 15 hours would pay for most of the capital costs of the ships and 25 hours per month would pay for the alts themselves. Anything past that is gravy.
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Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:43:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)
And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit. |
Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:20:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc.
Reprocessing drone poo. That apparently will change.
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Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.17 19:37:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:then off to buy 2000 tornados
Sounds like I need to reproc that medium smart bomb I've been hanging on to so we don't run out of zydrine!
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Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:24:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.
It's worth noting that Jita alone chews through more than that much every few days even if every casual ratter/missioner works as hard as you do and is as numerous as you claim (and aren't doing incursions instead). And a lot of null sec zydrine gets turned directly into supercaps and such, as the moon goo princess indicated. Keep in mind that the drone regions have considerably more industrialization than the rest of null sec.
Back in early 2009, CCP Chronotis (see comment #46 page 2) gave zydrine production at 43% mining, 18% loot, and 40% drone. Since then, loot and drone poo have both been changed (loot and drone drops of zydrine have been reduced and the extremely productive noctis introduced).
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46
(Sorry about the raw link, normal linking didn't work.)
To be blunt, I think things haven't changed that much. If zydrine gets eliminated altogether from drone drops, then there will be a considerable reduction in the supply of zydrine no matter what you and other "casual" ratters/missioners do to increase your zydrine production (short of actually mining the stuff that is, heh).
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Tasko Pal
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:51:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Weaselior wrote:
ahahahahahahaha look at the pathetic "i ratted in null!" guy
It never really applied until l now but You mad?
Still doesn't apply. When the Goons makes more sense than you do, then you have a problem.
Quote:The best part of reproc assisted mining for T1 minerals is, you can't really bot the process. CCP might want to think about reversing the level 4 mission loot nerf though.
And that's the problem here. The loot nerf hasn't been reversed. Hence, mission loot and all that other stuff isn't the flood of zydrine that you think it is.
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